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03-27-2007, 3:19 PM tonytony Joined on 03-27-2007 Michigan, United States Posts 1 Where are the 100% verse for verse bible believers? Please let me be real with you. Got no wit test. Got no desire to find out how perfect you will ever be. It's my business to know if your a 100% bible believer cause my bible said that unequally yoked people can obey God in 2 Corinthians 6:14-17. If I believe 100% of the bible and you believe 85% of the bible that's not an equal yoke of unity that God inspired Paul to encourage. If you believe 100% of the bible and I believe 84% of the bible we still don't have an equal yoke of unity. I'm not asking for your biography book relationship with Christ. I'm not asking for how long you accepted Christ. I'm not asking for what day you accepted Christ. I'm not asking if you think self righteous moralism is good enough. I'm not asking if you believe the bible on grace only. I'm not asking if you believe the bible on judging only. I'm not asking if you believe the bible on the 10 commandments only. You just have to be completely real with me and handle the one and only simple question: Are you a 100% bible believer? Well I don't know what you are but the Holy Spirit or the Word of God will expose what you are. If I deal with 1 Timothy 2:9-14, are you still able to believe 2 Timothy 3:16 too? If I deal with Romans 7;2-3 , are you still able to believe 2 Peter 1:20-21 also? Am I still dealing with a person that believes Matthew 5:19-20? Equal yoke meaning anything to you if I deal with 2 Corinthians 6:14-17? Can you deal with all the bible and  throw all your self righteous opinions in the garbage if I deal with Matthew 5:19-20? Would the Holy Spirit or the Word of God tell you that no bible teacher can conflict another bible teacher teaching if they both teaching on any bible verse correctly. Would the Holy Spirit or the Word of God tell you this in: 1 Corinthians 14:33 ? What about 2 Peter 1:20-21? Amos 3:3? Psalms 133:1? I'll cut a bible believer some wit slack if they pass the Titus 3:10 test. I believe 1 Corinthians 8:2. If somebody flunk the Titus 3:10 test and don't rebound back like a pro then I know what to call them  and how to handle them as Paul instructed a believer here. That's fair? No test on your perfection ever. I believe Proverbs. A good man fall 7 times.      Report

08-29-2007, 1:48 PM A.W. Bowman Joined on 02-17-2007 Posts 4 Re: Where are the 100% verse for verse bible believers? Interesting post. However, there are several areas of confusion and conflict. Leaving aside the verious language translations of the Bible, which, by their very nature introduces confusion, and using only the original language versions as our sourse of reference, there will always be differences in (1) interperation of the word and (2) the when, where, and how that word is to be applied to individual lives, the world at large and even different situtations. A belief system, is by its very nature, personal and subjective. There is a set of biblical absolutes, but even in these things there are questions and controversies. The reason does not lie within the writen word, butwithin the reader. Not with the Holy Spirit's leading and teaching, but within the individual. The lead in post, however, assumes that a "100% belief" in the Bible is the same as also having a 100% knowledge, acceptance, and wisdom concerning what was read. That is not the case. Moshe Maimonides put if very well, "It makes no difference whether you study in the holy language, or in Arabic, or Aramaic [or in Greek or even in English]; it matters only whether it is done with understanding. " Here in is wisdom, God speaks to His children in regards to where they are at and to what extent they can receive and process His truth. It is not a case of belief, but the degree of faith one has (exercises) in God and His integrity. Shaliach    Report

09-01-2007, 3:14 PM CowboyJake Joined on 08-08-2007 Posts 4 Re: Where are the 100% verse for verse bible believers? Tony, Tony, Don't get so excited. I side with your enthusiasm, but the truth is that there are quite a few conflicting teachings in scripture. Understanding why that is and how the book can yet be irrefutable, means understanding the different  seasons for the applications of different views. Anyone who thinks 100% of scripture is applicable as doctrine at the same time does not know the book. To say we believe it only implies we think the history within it is accurate. But to say we think it is 100% correct doesn't really even have any literal meaning, since it conflicts itself in places. What most people are saying when they say they believe 100% of scripture is that they are double-minded, believing opposing ideals, and that they really have no idea what they believe. They are just taking a defensive stance and making an ignorant claim. And what this says about them is that they are bigoted and idiotic.              Report

12-05-2007, 1:25 AM PeterAV Joined on 04-18-2006 Posts 8 Re: Where are the 100% verse for verse bible believers? but the truth is that there are quite a few conflicting teachings in scripture. ******* The Holy Bible does not conflict with itself. It may detail those that have conflicting reports, but the Bible itself does not conflict with itself.    Report

12-20-2007, 1:27 AM Humblepraise Joined on 12-20-2007 Newport News, Virginia, United States Posts 2 Re: Where are the 100% verse for verse bible believers? Our purpose as a church body is to draw men. It says that if I be lifted up from the earth I will draw all men unto me . If we as the "church" do our part by uplifting the name and glory of God than he will do the drawing of men.    Report

04-01-2008, 2:58 AM CowboyJake Joined on 08-08-2007 Posts 4 Re: Where are the 100% verse for verse bible believers? The Bible is a living book.  As such, it comprises various aspects of organic composition that only collectively constitute living operation.  This is why the same Bible has led men to war and led men to peace. The mistake man makes with scripture is thinking all of it is applicable to life at all times.  Were this the case, it would have no different effect for different times, which is what manifests it's unique ability to be a living and active and reactive book in the heart of man.  But to apply all the teachings of scripture together at the same time causes contradiction, even in interpretation, or in meaning.    One small example, for instance, is found in two places of scripture.  We know lying is not acceptable in the kingdom, according to Revelation. But, the Hebrew women lied to authorities when Pharoah sought to slay the Hebrew newborns.  And again, the woman who hid the spies Moses sent into Caanan land also lied to authorities.  Yet, in both cases, scripture says God blessed them for doing so.  So the actions of history, and the lessons taught by them here, in some way, directly contradicts what is taught elsewhere.  To say, therefore, that one believes what the Bible teaches 100% precludes that the differences here are also understood. Another example is the fact that when Moses destroyed the first tablets God said he would write them again for him. But later on we find Moses saying he wrote them.  This would mean either God is not perfect in keeping his word, which scripture contradicts, or Moses was wrong about something.  In either case, to believe all of this is to call either God or the scripture wrong.  One must choose which case to believe because they cannot both be right.  To say one believes it all is to lie about believing at least one thing here.  To instead realize there are contradictions here, and to attempt to explain them, means to take the Bible seriously.  Taking the Bible seriously means admitting there is no 100% belief that makes perfect sense - at least not yet.          Report

08-19-2008, 2:30 PM Eugene777 Joined on 08-19-2008 Colorado Springs, Colorado, United States Posts 7 Re: Where are the 100% verse for verse bible believers? interesting, 1 corinth 11:17 Paul states that there will be some division of opinion but your divisiveness over docterine does great harm there comes a point when to seperate and when wisdom grace and Elder councel is needed, the scriptures mention sin that lead to death not all sins lead to death, and more important Heb 11:17 teaches the basic doctrines that are important for healthy growth, with out these Pauls says you will aways be imature in the things of the Spirit and the things of the law will always have a strough hold, as we labor for rightiosness, when I was dateing my wife many years ago we were traveling to meet my Grandmother, when I said I did not write the scriptures so if you do not like it talk to the auther, but it is written that a women should take on the same attitude as Sara and call her husband master, at first she laughted then she realized that I was seriose and it got real quiet in the car for about an hour, I thought I have lost it all, then she spoke and said yes unconditionly she could summit ans refer to me as master, later she told that she had prayed and she knew that I would never lord over her but I wuold lay down my life for her, 15 years later we still have a great marrage ( ruff spots) but we love each other Jesus shows us that He has the power to destroy, the power of death , but he chose life and mercy and grace, and death when nessesary Acts 5:1-11. Paul said all things are permisable but not all things are benficial. may God bless you in your search for the perfect balance.    Report

10-04-2008, 10:55 PM buffaloacademy Joined on 10-05-2008 Olympia, Washington, United States Posts 2 Re: Where are the 100% verse for verse bible believers? Tony, Of recent years I have been studying with Messianic Believers. Their pastors have studied with real Jewish Rabbis. I have learned many interesting things. One thing I have learned is their deep respect for Learning. Jews love to study. They also love to discuss. They can sit for hours and discuss the meaning of a scripture, all the while bringing in several different interpretations. Without hating each other. The saying goes that where you have two Jews, you have at least three opinions. Dive into the discussions. There's lots of opinions. I have them, too!    Report

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