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June 08, 2009

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Pastor Invites Gunholders to Carry Arms to Church Event
from The Christian Post

A Pentecostal church in Kentucky is planning to host an event later this month to celebrate a constitutional right that most would expect a church to not even address, let alone advocate - namely, the right to bear arms.

On June 27, the weekend before the Fourth of July, New Bethel in Louisville will be holding its Open Carry Celebration and has encouraged "responsible handgun owners" to attend the service openly wearing their sidearm - unloaded and in a secure holster.

"There will be patriotic music and short presentation concerning responsible gun ownership and 2nd Amendment rights," the Assemblies of God church stated in their announcement of the event.

"There will also be a raffle to win a handgun," event organizers added. "All that is asked is that you bring a sidearm, a friend who has a sidearm and a canned good for local food bank."

Though support for bearing arms may sound like support for violence to most believers, Ken Pagano, pastor of New Bethel Church stresses that firearms can be evil but also be useful.

"We're just trying to promote responsible gun ownership and gun safety," he told The Associated Press.

Furthermore, as born-again Christian gunholder Mark Rogers maintains, the bearing of arms by responsible gun owners can bring a greater sense of security to individuals and to society.

"I want to be part of what makes criminals wonder if the next person they choose to assault may be the one that ends their life," he states as a reason for carrying a concealed weapon.

"The more law abiding citizens that are armed, the less sure criminals can be of the outcome of their actions against us."

Rogers also claims that the Bible does not call believers to pacifism in protecting themselves and their families from the criminals of this world and that it's "foolish" to believe that the nation's civil governments have the ability to protect law-abiding citizens from the "sub human predators" of society.

"I choose to take responsibility for my and my family's safety," he states in his website on Christian gun ownership. "Police generally arrive at a crime scene after the criminals are long gone and the devastation to citizen victims is already done."

Not surprising, the idea of Christians and guns doesn't sit well with a number of believers who say Jesus would be against guns and the idea of harming others - even criminals.

"Even if I were perfectly comfortable with open-carry handguns or gun rights, it seems to me a completely whole other thing to connect those rights to Jesus Christ," the Rev. Jerry Cappel, president of the Kentuckiana Interfaith Community, told the local Courier-Journal.

Tying in the event "with one who explicitly called us to put down the sword and pick up the cross and love our enemies and turn the other cheek, it just makes no sense," he added.

Pagano and his church, however, have received the blessing of local officials from their denomination as well as the Kentucky Council of Churches.

While many, understandably, may have issues with guns, the officials backed the upcoming church event as it promotes responsible gun ownership while also raising funds for charitable causes in the community.

Though it's not yet known how many will attend the event at New Bethel, the church itself has 125 to 150 members.

The event will start at 5 p.m. on June 27 with a picnic.

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Jesus Christ Himself confirmed the right to bear arms. Though the land He lived and ministered in was filled with armed Romand soldiers who did not hesitate to use their arms, He always had arms at hand when He traveled through the land. Even on the night when He was to be taken captive, "He said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough." (Luke 22: 35-38).

If the American Patriots and Revolutionary Army had not had arms, America would never have been the land of the free, but always remained a slave as Britain's Colony!

All Free Men must have a PARADIGM SHIFT - a change in thinking - in regard to the right to bear and use arms! If not, we will be slaves to those who govern us! As we are today! We are slowly being coocked by those who are in power, as the proverbial frog! If we refuse to wake up and stand up, we deserve no better fate!

Stop allowing the devils who govern us to lie to us: They say that more arms brings more crime. They LIE! Criminals do not care about laws: They carry arms anyhow. LAWS do not stop criminals and neither the police! Citizens who bear arms and will use them stop criminals. And they also stop tyrnannical government! And this, my friends, is why our devilish governments deny us the right to bear arms. Stop them

posted by Dutch Lion Frans @ Wednesday, June 10, 2009

Sorry guys for 3 repeated comments. When I submitted my comment, I did not get the response: Your comment has been saved, but I was told: "There is no such article." This gave me the impression my comment was lost.

posted by Dutch Lion Frans @ Wednesday, June 10, 2009

One GOD-given human right is the right to bear arms and use them in self-defense! But hardly anyone addresses this, while the devils who govern our lands rob us of our rights and freedoms! WE MUST FIGHT TO GET OUR RIGHTS BACK, and MAINTAIN our God-given rights! The devil is not going to take his defeat laying down!

Our rights were not given by men, and they are not to be taken from us by men! It is the duty of the government to reckognize and defend our God-given rights. Any government who fails to do so, it a TYRANT and should be overthrown! And sooner or later free men WILL do so! (In nations like the Netherlands, it requires the church and free men to teach the people the truth, and to expose the lies and evil propaganda of decades by our subsidised media and evil governments!)

Óne Pastor in the land of the 'free' (at least in this respect, but the devils who govern the USA are undermining this right by buying up all ammo!) addresses this - and if any of you has taken the time to read my Petition, you know I have included this when I wrote my Petition and explanation even last year, May 2008 - www.thevoiceofgodtoallnations.com

posted by Dutch Lion Frans @ Wednesday, June 10, 2009

One GOD-given human right is the right to bear arms and use them in self-defense! But hardly anyone addresses this, while the devils who govern our lands rob us of our rights and freedoms! WE MUST FIGHT TO GET OUR RIGHTS BACK, and MAINTAIN our God-given rights! The devil is not going to take his defeat laying down!

Our rights were not given by men, and they are not to be taken from us by men! It is the duty of the government to reckognize and defend our God-given rights. Any government who fails to do so, it a TYRANT and should be overthrown! And sooner or later free men WILL do so! (In nations like the Netherlands, it requires the church and free men to teach the people the truth, and to expose the lies and evil propaganda of decades by our subsidised media and evil governments!)

Óne Pastor in the land of the 'free' (at least in this respect, but the devils who govern the USA are undermining this right by buying up all ammo!) addresses this - and if any of you has taken the time to read my Petition, you know I have included this when I wrote my Petition and explanation even last year, May 2008 - see: www.thevoiceofgodtoallnations.com

posted by Dutch Lion Frans @ Wednesday, June 10, 2009

For "hclogos "
These words of Christ are not to be understood literally, that he would have his disciples furnish themselves with swords at any rate, since he would never have said, as he afterwards does, that two were sufficient; which could not be enough for eleven men; or have forbid Peter the use of one, as he did in a very little time after this: but his meaning is, that wherever they came, and a door was opened for the preaching of the Gospel, they would have many adversaries, and these powerful, and would be used with great violence, and be followed with rage and persecution; so that they might seem to stand in need of swords to defend them: the phrase is expressive of the danger they would be exposed to, and of their need of protection; and therefore it was wrong in them to be disputing and quarrelling about superiority, or looking out for, and expecting temporal pomp and grandeur, when this would be their forlorn, destitute, and afflicted condition; and they would quickly see the affliction and distress begin in himself

Also in Psalms 27 its states
The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? 2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came F80 upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell. 3 Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident

If God is our salvation, and our strength, If God did not give us the spirit of fear, If the wepons of our warfare are not carnel. Then why are our men of God (Pastors, Ministers) and Children of God brining tools of the world into God's house. (This is Holy Ground) "ITS' TIME FOR A NEW REVOLUTION, ONE THAT WILL BRING GODS CHILDREN BACK IN ONE ACCORD WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT"

posted by dturner3571@msn.com @ Sunday, June 07, 2009

JESUS IS THE TWOEDGED SWORD,FOR HE IS THE WORD,ALIVE AND WELL SITTING ON THE THRONE, SO WHO'S SITTING ON THE THRONE OF YOUR HEARTS

Revelation 1:16 (King James Version)

16And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 4:11-13 (in Context) Hebrews 4 (Whole Chapter)

posted by GOD'SCOVENANTLADY @ Saturday, June 06, 2009

THE LORD GOD IS NOT MOCKED,WHAT SO EVER A MAN SOWETH THAT SHALL HE REAP ALSO........,TAKE YOUR THE LORD'S FLOCK ON A FAST,AND SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES......BECAUSE YOU ARE ABOUT TO OPEN THE DOOR TO GOD'S ENEMY.....JESUS SAID MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED THE HOUSE OF PRAYER.....GOD IS A HOLY GOD,A MIGHTY GOD, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE PEOPLE TRIED TO ATTACKED JESUS BECAUSE HE DECLARED HIMSELF THE SON OF GOD.....THE WORD SAID HE HID IN THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND WALKED RIGHT BY HIS ENEMIES.......ALSO IN THE OLD TESTAMENT THE LORD SAID WILL CAUSED YOUR ENEMIES TO TURN THEIR BACKS SO WE CAN WALK THROUGH THE LAND IN PEACE,I KNOW THIS WORD IN THE BIBLE, DO YOU?

I PRAY THAT THE FATHER GIVES YOU HIS WISDOM AND REVELATION KNOWLEDGE IN JESUS NAME,AND THAT YOU DO NOTHING TO GREIVE THE HOLY GHOST

posted by GOD'SCOVENANTLADY @ Saturday, June 06, 2009

Jeremiah 31:3
The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

MATTHEW 26: 51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.

52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

54But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

55In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me

MARK 14:37And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?
38Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

posted by GOD'SCOVENANTLADY @ Saturday, June 06, 2009

Things have gotten "WAYYYYYYYYY OUT OF CONTROL". THIS is so beyond of the Bible. Last I checked I thought I remembered our weapon is the "WORD OF GOD" YOU know "THE SWORD", "THE SHIELD" "THE BELT", "THE HELMET" and the "THE SHOES"

posted by tosha292002@yahoo.com @ Friday, June 05, 2009

Listen, I have an honest question. Jesus said, when someone does you wrong, turn the other cheek in mat 5:39
Then in Luke 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

why doe He direct His disciples to sell thier few extra belongings and take up an instrument of self defense?? Please someone directly answer my question with no added inflection that is not in the scripture.

posted by hclogos @ Friday, June 05, 2009

Seems like something similar happened last year. This is crazy!

posted by reese1981 @ Friday, June 05, 2009

Unbelievable! We really need to stop fooling ourselves, get politics out of Christ's Church and get back to preaching the Gospel & saving lost souls.

posted by alexauguste @ Friday, June 05, 2009

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